CLOUD-004: Should Sanctum build a Sanctum Mobile App (“Wonder”)? [FAILED]

tl;dr

This proposal would empower the Sanctum team to build a Sanctum mobile app, codenamed “Wonder”.

Even though this is not a proposal that involves community CLOUD funds, this is going to be the largest product decision ever made by the Sanctum team, so we want to put it up to governance vote. We’re excited about this direction but still want to gut check with the community.

what

Our goal is to onboard more good (agentic, integrous, open-minded, earnest) people onto the magical new world of crypto. Wonder would be a mobile app that maximally serves these users.

Why would these users want to be on chain? They are unlikely to want to trade memecoins. But they would be interested in earning/raising money on crypto to fund their ambitions, holding assets with long-term real yield, and participating, belonging, and interacting with other like-minded people.

Core goals of Wonder:

  • to make the new user UX safe and easy (no seed phrases)
  • to put people first (profiles, not wallet addresses), and
  • to maximise love, fun, and delight

(potential) core product features:

  • automatically gives you great yields on your assets
  • shows you how much money you’ve made from your yield-bearing assets (SOL, JUP, CLOUD, USDC)
  • gasless trades/transfers
  • lets you spend and offramp your money via card or bank transfer
  • curates the best, most aligned projects so you can participate or invest in them
    • MetaDAO launchpad integration?

potential monetisation models:

  • AUM fees on deposits
  • swap fees
  • subscription fees

why

The Business Case:

Team:

We have a track record of making things fun, building delightful products, simplifying very complex concepts. We made futarchy fun and accessible. I mean we made liquid staking fun for gods sake.

At the same time, we have a reputation for competence and safety — today, Sanctum safeguards over 1B in funds.

I think this combination gives us the prerequisite to build a trusted, yet delightful, product — important for people to want to put lots of money.

Personal:

A month ago I saw my 17 year old cousin open up his phone. He was trading TRUMP on Moonshot, looking at his portfolio go from $6 to $4.60 (lol). I was really happy that crypto has conclusively come to the mainstream, but also sad that that was his first experience with crypto.

Crypto has a lot more to offer than trading memecoins, but it seems like everyone is focused on building apps for that. I want to build the right introduction to crypto: the app we all deserve, but no one is building. I want to build a truly delightful consumer app that lets everyone participate fully in the magic internet economy — to get rich, find meaning, and have fun along the way.

go-to-market

The goal is to build out a minimally delightful product with just one killer feature — but some iteration will be required to find that feature.

To get our first users, we’ll run a very intimate, high-touch closed beta with our best cloudmen (probably initiated by staking score) — each of them would have some small numbers of invite codes. We’ll use that to iterate on the product and find that killer feature.

Once we are sure we have a compelling product and hook, we’ll look to distribute to the broader crypto audience. Other ideas include co-hosting IRL events with our Sanctum cloudmen to sign up new users.

considerations

The largest consideration here is opportunity cost. Building this mobile app will require significant resources and will affect to some degree our focus on scale the core business. The alternative is to stay the course and focus solely on growing Sanctum as a B2B staking business or going into institutional liquid staking (more CEXes, building out custodial products, locked SOL, etc.)

Other considerations include: building mobile consumer apps is notoriously hard, and value capture is not completely clear, especially if we don’t focus on capturing the users which have max trading volumes.

discretion

The Sanctum core team reserves the right to change details of the prospective features or go-to-market if we deem it better for the product.

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Goodjob on thinking and always pushing forward!
Really love the concept, we need no more degen but need more stable and secure experience!

Regarding the consideration of opportunity cost, do you have a timeline if this proposal passed, how long for the sanctum team to shipped the products? And will it be on android / ios first for the target?
Thanks!

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Excited to hear more about this on the forecast!

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This makes sense. to increase chance of sticky success a direct connection to the user is a key ingredient.

sometimes the NO define you more than the YES.

Opportunity cost considerations makes me veer towards NO for now.

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while the wonder app has potential, the biggest risks lie in execution, value capture, and opportunity cost. diverting resources from sanctum’s core staking business to build a consumer app is a major trade-off. competing with established wallets and exchanges will require significant investment, and user acquisition is challenging in a saturated market. additionally, monetization is unclear if the app doesn’t attract high-volume traders. regulatory uncertainties around fiat on/off-ramps and yield-bearing assets could also pose risks.

if the team can identify a killer feature that ensures long-term engagement and monetization, it could be worth pursuing—but without it, the costs may outweigh the benefits.

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Ship it. Mobile will increase the aveneue to onboard people. It’s easier to share things on a phone vs a desktop. Mobile will also open up more product opportunities such as payments and interactive games like wonderland.

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New favorite app? My initial thoughts:

A competitive advantage ready for growth

  • I don’t think there are currently and LST platforms that have a dedicated mobile app, so Sanctum could lead the way in mobile staking and governance.
  • This could set Sanctum apart from competitors, making it the go-to platform for mobile-first DeFi users.
  • Having an app positions Sanctum for mass adoption when DeFi and LSTs gain broader traction.
  • An early presence on mobile builds brand recognition before competitors catch up.

Enhanced accessibility, engagement & DeFi experience

  • It would be super useful if users could track rewards, governance, and staking, all in one app on the go.
  • Push notifications can keep the community updated on governance proposals, new LSTs, and DeFi opportunities.
  • Easier access usually means higher user retention and more engagement.
  • Mobile-first voting and staking can help make governance more inclusive and active.
  • Cross-app integrations with existing DeFi platforms on Solana (e.g., Jupiter, Meteora, Kamino).

However, building a consumer mobile app is a massive undertaking that will require significant resources and focus, which could slow down other core developments like expanding LST integrations or institutional adoption. Sanctum is still building out governance, staking, and ecosystem integrations, so a mobile app could pull focus away from more immediate priorities (e.g., improving INF, growing $CLOUD utility, or expanding DeFi integrations). Additionally, value capture isn’t always clear with mobile-first crypto apps, and user acquisition can be challenging without a strong viral hook. Maybe building a PWA or simple MVP could be a smart middle-ground without overcommitting resources.

Overall, I’m on board with this vision. Sanctum is uniquely positioned to make crypto more fun, intuitive, and community-driven, and if executed well, this could be the app that truly bridges the gap for the next wave of on-chain users.

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Awesome idea. Seems like an open goal, even the “winning” wallets like Phantom are not at all user friendly for crypto novices, so the opportunity is there. Stuff like usernames instead of wallet addresses, and hiding gas fees should be table stakes for broad adoption.

Would also be cool to keep the cutesy Ghibli look of Sanctum and even lean into it more for the branding. (Ive had an idea for a similar app for ages, I thought of calling it “MiYu”, and the mascots would be a little girl “Mi”, and her pet dragon “Yu”. (ya know, cos wallets are about sending from “me” to you"…) and it would be done in that Ghibli style.

Other ideas I’ve thought of that would probably go with this approach would be…

-only allow trading of a curated set of whitelisted tokens, so that users can’t buy rugs.

-perhaps integrate on-chain messaging (people first), adding a bit of a social media aspect to it.

-focus on setting higher fees than other crypto wallets approach too, since your competition is web2 payments apps more than other crypto wallets (that’s what novices will compare you to, so they will expect .5% fees etc like Venmo and Paypal.)

-maybe also integrate a friendly AI assistant that will give people advice as they learn about crypto and making investments etc.

-develop a strong social referral system, because if the focus is on onboarding crypto novices, so you want new users to be bringing in their friends and family.

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Excited to see another proposal!

Looking forward to seeing what is said on tomorrow’s forecast - I’ll be back after that!

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Excited for the app, can already imagine the clean cute Cloud interface.

It’ll open a new frontier for Sanctum, just additional commitment on manpower and time to build a good app.

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Great! Wonder could be a game-changer by simplifying crypto onboarding with a user-friendly, seedless UX and real-yield focus. I especially appreciate the emphasis on no-seed-phrase UX, gasless transactions, and yield optimization.

Key questions:

  • How will curated projects be vetted?
  • What ensures long-term user engagement?
  • How will this balance with Sanctum’s core staking business?
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welcome to the community! u bring up some interesting points. excited to hear the team elaborate on the call before further discussion!

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in terms of aesthetics, i’m sure it’ll be top notch! just gotta find the competitive market edge… interested to here more from the team!

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WONDERful WONDERful WONDERful (sorry)

I personally love the idea of a Sanctum mobile app, but I recognize the whole opportunity cost issue.
To that end, I have ideas as to what this will be as well as ideas as to what this can be, but would like to ask the team some questions for consideration first (and also hash out some other thoughts):

  • Sounds imo like Wonder might basically be considered the realm of “banking app”. As you said, consumers in this sector are generally sticky, and stick to what they know.
    How do you imagine convincing the average consumer (web2 natives) to part with where their money is “safe” (big, insured banks like Chase, Bank of America, Bank of China, etc), and invest it instead in not only what is a “new” banking app, but also an app that centers on SOL LSTs, a currency which sees [relatively] wild volatility / flux?
    I already predict massive headaches with people calling the app a scam when their invested worth cuts in value (as we’ve seen in recent weeks), and further pushing people away from cryptocurrency use/ widespread adoption. Regardless of the amount of education Sanctum may attempt to give, from personal experience this will always ring true.

  • I understand Sanctum wanting to be their own app, but any consideration towards partnering with, for example, another aligned widely recognized brand wallet? I’m thinking if Sanctum could be JUP wallet’s “banking interface/UI”; not only would doing so possibly give more reach, I feel like they would compliment each other pretty well. And with JUP’s mission to basically connect all of crypto’s chains, it would position Sanctum well to become

Or at least a significant part of it. Sanctum could become the face of the long term value of storing personal wealth as SOL LSTs. It would also most likely assist with operational cost / lower cost of creating Wonder since it’s just part of an app as opposed to a completely new app.

  • As others have stated a concern for, seeing Sanctum as a business, I’d like a more detailed overview of the value proposition that Wonder brings to the table for Sanctum as a project/company (which the proposal says is unclear at the moment).

  • Side note: I’ve seen some people talking about the Sanctum art in the discussion. I think the art is definitely cute and well drawn. It can go massively viral. Especially if Sanctum includes Wonderland Season 1 tamagotchi style staking pet growth and adds little goals/milestones/accessories (hint hint nudge nudge)
    I’ve heard of some self-care apps as an example where this was used to great effect. It would probably work very well for “practicing the ability of HODLing and growing one’s net worth / value over time” as well.

I look forward to seeing how this discussion develops and weighing in further!
Cheers~

Meow

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This is such an exciting proposal! Brings to mind the quote from Field of Dreams…“if you built it, they will come”

I really like target audience outlined here, and making it about fun, and ease. Most folks will be grateful if their first onboard in web3 is with the Sanctum team!

Can’t wait to watch this blossom :cloud:

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I love the ambition here. There is something genuinely inspiring about a team saying, Crypto can be more than memecoin gambling - let’s build the app we all deserve.

The focus on “love , fun & delight” gets me excited. Crypto UX is usually sterile at best, and hostile at worst :seedling: seed phrases, gas fees, and wallet addresses are a slog. If Sanctum can pull off an app that feels human, with profiles instead of hex strings, and yields that just work without friction, that is a breath of fresh air. I can imagine opening Wonder and smiling instead of squinting at a block explorer. That is RARE in this space.

I love the teams vibe its a big :plus: too. They have got this playful, creative energy - making futarchy and liquid staking fun isn’t trivial. It’s the kind of quirky competence that makes me think they might actually deliver something special. And the fact they are :fingerprint: safeguarding $1B already? That is a flex. It is hard not to trust them to at least try something bold and pull it off with style.

But here is where I get a little :scream: antsy. It feels like a moonshot with a lot of heart but a hazy payoff. I’m all for chasing delight, but the “minimally delightful product” and “killer feature TBD” bits make me nervous. It is like they’re saying, “We will figure out the magic sauce later.” That is brave, but it could also mean endless tinkering while the budget burns. I would feel better if they had a sharper hook out the gate - something concrete to rally around.

The opportunity cost nags at me too. Sanctums already killing it in staking -why risk splitting focus? I get the allure of owning the end user, but there is a quiet beauty in being the best at one thing. Wonder feels like a passion project that could either be a game changer or a distraction. I am torn because I want it to work, but I cant shake the feeling it might stretch them thin.

Subjectively, I am rooting for it hard. I would vote YES just for the sheer audacity and the chance to see crypto done right :slot_machine: less casino,
:antenna_bars: more community. But if I were on the team, I would be sweating the execution and praying that closed beta spits out a banger feature fast. It is a romantic gamble, and I am a sucker for those, even if I am not 100% sold on the profit part yet.

cho :cloud: u

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Like the proposal. Could do a Season 2 much more fun, and a post season 2 potentially a small game or something like that. (especially if there is an nft collection like proposed by someone)

But where the fund for building it will come from? And how much will it cost?

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Idea sounds great. Adoption is the case. General understanding and operating is the problem. We have people who think that are too old to follow ‘crypto stream’ and we have people who are young and may have bad experience. App which will introduce - crypto aspect in easy to understand way it’s a great idea. 2-3 short videos which introduce and guide will make things cool as well.

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