ASR Program - Continuation and Optimization

INTERIM UPDATE 01/09/2025 08:45 UTC

Based on the feedback received from other participants and in order to simplify this proposal as much as possible, I’ve decided to remove the suggestion about changing the reward mechanism. Since each participant has their own vision of how this mechanism could be improved, trying to incorporate all these ideas would make the proposal unnecessarily complicated.

It will be more effective to focus the current proposal on just two key points:

  • Whether to continue ASR (yes or no);

  • The amount of rewards to be allocated for the upcoming ASR season (20M).

Any potential changes to the rewarding mechanism itself should be discussed and voted on separately in a dedicated proposal.

With these adjustments, the updated wording of the proposal is as follows:

I propose to use 20M CLOUD to fund rewards for active governance participants over the next six months.

Voters will receive a pro rata share of CLOUD based on their overall staking score earned during ASR Season 2 (staked CLOUD amount × time), multiplied by the number of proposals they participated in within ASR Season 2.

To be counted as participating in a proposal, one must have a minimum trading volume of at least 10 USDC in each proposal, regardless of if it passes or fails.

The entire upcoming 6-month ASR season is planned to run from the date of the last ASR-1 snapshot (25/08/2025) through 28/02/2026.

I propose splitting the 20M CLOUD allocation into two tranches of 10M each and distributing them quarterly. The plan is as follows:

  • First tranche: distributed in December 2025 (covering the period from 25/08/2025 to 30/11/2025);
  • Second tranche: distributed in March 2026 (covering the period from 25/08/2025 to 28/02/2026).

The mechanism for staking points and vote counting will remain the same as in Season 1. Any discussion of potential changes to this mechanism should be addressed in a separate proposal.

As a reminder, during Season 1:

  • For the first tranche distribution, staking points accumulated during the first half of the season (first 3 months) and votes cast within that period were used.
  • For the second tranche distribution, staking points accumulated over the entire season (6 months) and all votes cast during the season were taken into account.

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ORIGINAL PROPOSAL BELOW

1. Introduction

At this point, I’m not sure whether the team has any plans regarding the continuation of ASR rewards. Since no proposals have been submitted by others, I decided to prepare this draft to start a discussion on extending ASR.

The main reason why I believe ASR should continue is that the protocol is still in an active growth phase, where all current profits should be reinvested into expansion, market capture, revenue growth, and new products.
Because of this, we cannot rely on direct revenue redistribution to stakers in the near future. However, staking loses much of its attractiveness without ASR rewards.

To maintain staking motivation and reward long-term CLOUD holders, we need to allocate a dedicated pool of tokens for ASR. At this stage, the community fund is the most logical source for these rewards.


2. Key Discussion Points

2.1. Rethinking the ASR Rewards Distribution

The current ASR model can create certain challenges for newcomers and reduce incentives for active participation - especially if fewer proposals are put up for voting closer to the end of the ASR season. Another issue is that a user who voted only once but later sold all their tokens can still receive rewards for the entire remaining season by maintaining just the minimum required participation of 10 USDC (example highlighted in the attached community member’s comment).

While this behavior aligns with the original ASR design, I believe there’s an opportunity to improve fairness and better incentivize ongoing engagement.

Proposed change:

  • Split the next ASR phase into two shorter rounds:

    • ASR-3 → 3 months

    • ASR-4 → next 3 months.

  • Distribute rewards based on staking points accumulated during each 3-month period.

  • Only votes cast within the same period should count toward reward eligibility.

This creates a cleaner and fairer system while giving new participants stronger incentives to stake and engage actively.


2.2. Determining the ASR Budget

Determining the ASR budget requires a long-term perspective - we need to ensure that community fund resources remain available for future strategic needs, while still keeping staking attractive and rewarding for participants.

Key assumptions (the following represent my personal perspective and subjective vision and are not a finalized plan):

  • The community fund should last for at least 5 years.

  • Expected fund usage includes:

    • Providing incentives for INF-SOL liquidity;

    • Potential future liquidity provision for CLOUD-USDC;

    • Strategic initiatives, experiments, grants, etc.

Suggested allocations (all numbers are approximate — the goal here is to estimate the available budget for ASR and understand potential constraints, not to propose a final distribution plan):

Purpose Suggested Allocation (M CLOUD)
INF-SOL liquidity incentives 25M
Decentralized liquidity pools 25M
Strategic reserves / potential “Wonderland”-style events (although I personally see limited value in such “Wonderland” given the team’s shift in focus toward the B2B segment) 100M
Experiments, grants & initiatives 30M
Total 180M

After the ASR-2 distribution, the remaining community reserve will be approximately 292M CLOUD. After accounting for the indicative allocations mentioned above, the estimated available balance would be around 112M CLOUD.

Estimated yearly allocation for ASR is → 112M CLOUD ÷ 5 years ≈ 22M CLOUD/year.

This revised model provides a clearer understanding of what the community fund can realistically support while ensuring long-term sustainability. It also indicates that allocating 60M CLOUD per year for ASR rewards would be unsustainable over time, highlighting the need to reduce ASR allocations.

The figures above are highly approximate, do not account for all factors, and are intended only to provide a rough illustration of potential allocation.

I also believe that a gradual reduction in rewards should be considered instead of a sharp decrease. The idea is as follows:

  • Avoid a sharp and sudden decrease in ASR rewards;

  • As Sanctum grows, ASR rewards in CLOUD should eventually be replaced with profit distribution mechanisms;

  • Over time, the clarity and understanding of how the community reserve should be allocated will naturally improve.

My current preliminary vision for ASR rewards allocation is as follows (subject to change based on future developments and community discussions):

Year Proposed ASR Rewards (M CLOUD)
Year 1 40M
Year 2 30M
Year 3 20M
Year 4 15M
Year 5 10M
Total 115M CLOUD

This approach reflects a gradual reduction of ASR rewards over five years while allowing the community fund to maintain long-term sustainability and flexibility for future strategic needs.

Therefore, I propose allocating 20M CLOUD for the upcoming 6-month ASR period.


3. Updated Proposal: ASR-3 and ASR-4 Allocations

I propose allocating 20M CLOUD from the community reserve to support rewards for active governance participants over the next six months.

Key details:

  • Voters will receive a pro-rata share of CLOUD, calculated as:
    (staked CLOUD amount × staking duration) × number of votes participated in during the ASR round.

  • Each ASR round (ASR-3 and ASR-4) lasts 3 months.
    Staking scores and participating votes are calculated per round, not over the entire 6-month period.

  • To qualify as an active participant in a proposal, a minimum trading volume of 10 USDC per proposal is required, regardless of whether the proposal passes or fails.

  • The total 20M CLOUD allocation will be split into two equal tranches of 10M CLOUD each.

  • Rewards will be distributed quarterly, with the first tranche expected to be distributed approximately 3 months after the passing of this proposal.

PS - I am not affiliated with the team and have no insight into whether there are any future plans regarding community reserve allocation, ASR, revenue distribution, etc. Everything outlined in this proposal reflects only my personal analysis and reasoning.
Someone had to raise the question about the future of ASR, and I decided to initiate this discussion.

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Cool. I tottally agree.

I am really hoping that stakers continue to get rewarded somehow.

I don’t care if its the same mechanisms as ASR1 & 2, or something else, but stakers who are locking up their liquidity for 30 days and/or participating in funtarchy (should any more proposals end up in a vote) should get something in return.

Its tiresome watching momentum (with and within the community) continually get dropped..

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Great proposal brotha. Here’s a short add-on I’d propose:

Add a “Continuity Bonus” for holders who keep their stake through both 3-month rounds (ASR-3 and ASR-4).

  • Mechanic (simple): If a wallet maintains at least its baseline staked balance from the start of ASR-3 (allow a small 5–10% buffer for redelegations) and meets the voting minimums in both rounds, it gets an extra allocation at the end of ASR-4.

  • How to pay it: Either (a) a 1.1–1.2× multiplier on their final staking points, or (b) carve out 10–15% of each tranche into a small “continuity pool” distributed pro-rata to eligible wallets. No new budget needed.

  • Why it’s logical: Rewards long-term alignment (time + risk borne), reduces churn/gaming (stake, vote once, dump), stabilizes staking across the full 6-month window, and improves governance quality without penalizing newcomers (they still earn base rewards).

  • Verification: Start/end snapshots + simple daily/min-balance check with a small grace buffer.

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Thank you for the suggestion.

However, I’m against introducing an additional bonus in the way you propose. It would complicate the calculations and create an imbalance for new stakers.
I also don’t want people to feel locked into 6 months of staking just because of a voting bonus. Moreover, your suggestion can be gamed by splitting the stake into smaller parts and, if needed, unstaking only a portion of those smaller stakes. This way, the bonus would apply to most split stakers, while people who choose not to split their stake would end up without a bonus if they will need to unstake within that period.

I’d prefer to keep the formula as simple and balanced as possible.

Could you please elaborate on what you mean by reducing the risk of churn/gaming? If you stake, vote once, and then dump, your staking score will stop accumulating as soon as you initiate unstaking.

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Some good feedback that I think many share

I personally would like to see this CLOUD get allocated elsewhere though, granted the need for governance is less with B2B model. Can rather explore flywheel opportunities imo.

Staking should remain incentivised though, but I believe it can be done with fraction rewards and less effort/attention needed from team. I personally think you might have to shorten the unstaking time (30d right now) so that we can remain a large portion of supply staked despite lowering staking rewards a lot

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I believe we should keep the 30-day unstaking period at this stage of the protocol’s development. It serves as an effective filter between long-term investors and short-term speculators. Staking should not be an easy decision. We can revisit reducing the unstaking period later, when revenues are significant, profit-sharing mechanisms are launched, and staking naturally becomes a no-brainer.

Currently, there are no alternative incentive mechanisms for staking. Extending the ASR season gives the team more time to present potential incentive plans, while current profits can be used to grow revenues and market share. To me, the “flywheel” or revenue-sharing model doesn’t make much sense at this stage. A gradual decrease of ASR combined with a progressive reward distribution mechanism seems like a more logical approach.

That said, I would personally like to see more open discussion around possible profit-sharing models - but as a community member, I have no visibility into the team’s internal plans. Designing profit distribution mechanisms should originate from the team, not from me.

ASR itself with 30 days staking requirement seems like a strong mechanism for distributing CLOUD to long-term holders. Lowering staking requirements or making it too accessible would weaken the quality of holders and would likely increase sell pressure.

If you see any problems in proposed ASR model, please provide some concrete examples so we can improve it.

Regarding the B2B argument - I don’t see why ASR would become less relevant. B2B participants can also stake, create high-quality proposals, and contribute to governance.

For this season, we are discussing an allocation of 20M CLOUD versus 30M in the previous season. I also support gradually reducing ASR over time to avoid shocks while keeping stakers motivated. If you believe 20M is too high, I’d like to hear specific alternative numbers so we can discuss them.

Just a thought based on your earlier statement that you don’t want people to feel locked into 6 months of staking just for a voting bonus.

As you said, staking should not be an easy decision. I agree. So in that spirit, why should unstaking be an easy decision? It’s just the flip side of the same coin.

As a strong believer, and as the early investors have also shown- it shouldn’t be any problems HODLing for a 6 month period, especially if your time horizon is much longer.

If my actions can reflect my level of conviction in a certain project or a certain position rather than someone claiming that they have conviction but constantly trying to exit, I’m of the opinion that my actions should be rewarded.
Are you saying that there shouldn’t be a voting bonus because people will lock in for 6 months, feel obligated to stay and then dump it all after? I apologize if I don’t quite understand where we’re trying to go.

Meow

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There should be a balance between making staking not an easy decision and not making people feel locked in. However, there are also other arguments I’ve outlined in my response.

If you know a meaningful rewarding mechanism that can’t be gamed and truly rewards long-term believers, then please go ahead and propose it. At the moment, I don’t see a way to implement such a system with minimal additional effort from the team while still maintaining a fair balance between existing and new stakers.

Meow

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Thank you for the quick and kind response!

Based on what you said, I take it that you agree that it’s impossible to have a system that benefits everyone equally, so I think the better question to consider atm is what would people consider a fair balance between long term stakers and new stakers. Ergo, where/how do you set a value on time locked in?

My initial (probably ridden with flaws/holes) thoughts here:
Your proposal suggests a 5 year ASR timeline. What if, for ASR eligibility/allocation:

Staking score is already constantly growing. Use a time-weighted average basis of staking score with a starting period of somewhere between 3-7 days for the initial average to be taken per wallet to determine grounds for eligibility. That way, people can’t just vote right when a proposal goes live for quick ASR eligibility. (I’m thinking 5 days so people have time to consider the proposal deliberations and make decisions). Unstaking would also interfere with / drag down the TWA staking score. Then, for x amount of time for each ASR eligibility (e.g. 3 months), take a weekly average of like 12-13 TWA staking scores and use that as the basis for ASR calculations.

Back to the point of 5 years. Create an linearly scaling multiplier that increases up to 5x staking score to be included in ASR eligibility that scales up over the course of FIVE YEARS. (Amounts to approximately +0.00274x multiplier increase per day)
Minimal difference for new users, could become a sizable difference for long-term believers.

Now I did notice you said something along minimal effort from the team. I’m on the fence about that to be honest… I do want the devs and team to be focusing on something probably more “worthy” of their time, but on the other hand, I want to be able to say that WE as a long term community are also worthy of their time… Of course, optimally this can be done with bare minimum input, but in case it isn’t, I don’t think it should be written off just because of a little extra effort needed to implement.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

Meow

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Thanks for taking the time to create this proposal. Agree, and disagree with some points, but would take me awhile to reply to your proposal in detail… before any of us put more serious thought into this, it would be nice to see some sort of reply from the team to see if it’s worth putting in the effort to discuss this in detail.

The 5-year timeline outlined in the proposal is not meant to lock anything in — it’s simply to demonstrate that we have enough CLOUD allocated to fund ASR for the next five years if needed.

The existing model already takes the time-weighted average into account. As long as you keep your tokens staked, your score continues to grow. Once you initiate unstaking, you stop accumulating any additional score. Since the score directly impacts your ASR rewards, the time factor is already built into the current system.

I don’t understand the point about quick ASR eligibility. There is no advantage in “quick voting” since the system already accounts for time - simply voting right away doesn’t provide any extra benefit.

Proposals go through several stages before reaching the actual voting phase, giving people time to review, discuss, and make informed decisions before casting their votes.

We are currently discussing ASR only for the upcoming 6 months, not for the entire 5-year period.

Just my thoughts: I’m against giving ANY sizable benefit to long-term stakers. I want new people to join staking, create proposals, and actively participate in discussions. Being early already provides an advantage by giving a higher share of staking rewards, so I don’t think we need to add extra multipliers on top. I also personally don’t want to introduce something overly complicated that could backfire in the future with unexpected outcomes. My goal is for CLOUD to remain open and welcoming for newcomers. A 5x multiplier, in my view, is excessive and would highly likely discourage new participants from joining staking.

Considering the ASR-1 / ASR-2 models: I’ve been staked since day one and was initially happy that ASR-2 took into account all votes and staking scores. However, after reviewing the ongoing discussions (see the Discord screenshot in the proposal), my perspective has changed.

We can absolutely discuss potential bonus mechanisms, but I strongly believe this should be handled as a separate topic from ASR to avoid introducing flaws or unnecessary complexity into the current system. ASR should stand for Active Staking Rewards. If you believe rewarding conviction is important, I think that should be addressed in a dedicated proposal, separate from ASR. For now, I’d rather focus on identifying any flaws in the existing system and thinking about how to mitigate those issues instead of introducing potentially new ones.

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Thanks for the thoughtful response :folded_hands: I completely understand the desire to keep the system simple and balanced, and I agree simplicity is important. My thinking behind the continuity bonus was less about locking people in, and more about rewarding consistency in a way that strengthens governance.

When I mentioned reducing churn/gaming, I was thinking of behaviors like: staking, voting once to qualify, then immediately unstaking (which technically still allows someone to earn for the rest of that round with minimal real commitment). Or cycling in/out each period just to “farm” the easiest part of rewards without sticking around to truly support the team, protocol, and community.

A continuity multiplier would create an incentive to stay aligned across both periods, which helps keep more tokens staked and voting power stable, while still letting newcomers join each round fairly. I think the term “locked in” is the wrong way to view it. It’s a longer term alignment and vote of confidence. Or an investment if you will.

That said, I hear your point on the risk of stake-splitting. If this idea were to move forward, it would need clear parameters (like applying bonuses per wallet, or setting a minimum baseline balance at the start of ASR-3).

Maybe it’s actually worth replying before the team does. If you take that proposal seriously yourself, then why wait for the team’s response?

Sorry mate, but I really don’t understand how someone could “farm” the easiest part of rewards without staying staked for 6 months. Could you give an example? As soon as you unstake, your score stops accruing, which automatically makes your share smaller than those who continue staking.

Don’t want to offend you in any way, but it seems like an unnecessary complication to me. Also, I’m not sure how familiar you are with the futarchy system, but it actually sometimes requires having some unstaked CLOUD if you want to perform arbitrage and push both conditional market prices toward the spot. When all your CLOUD is staked, you’re effectively forced to unstake some in order to arb that difference.

And I think arbing is essential for futarchy to function properly. Otherwise, people will subconsciously push only one condition (which is pass market in Sanctum UI). That’s exactly what I personally observed during CLOUD-05, when both markets were initially launched below the CLOUD spot price.
If you need to arb in the opposite direction, you just need USDC, which isn’t a problem to source.

Appreciate you pushing me to clarify :folded_hands: When I say “farmers,” or “farming,” I don’t necessarily mean people exploiting a loophole in the scoring math. I’m using it in the broader sense: wallets that have no real interest in Sanctum or CLOUD beyond squeezing out whatever short-term rewards they can.

So even if the formula technically stops accrual once someone unstakes, there’s still a difference between:

  • long-term aligned holders who stick through the full program because they care about the protocol, vs.

  • short-term opportunists who just jump in, meet the bare minimums, and move on as soon as the next shiny reward pops up.

My point with the “continuity bonus” wasn’t that the math was broken, but that giving a small extra incentive for consistent alignment could help distinguish committed participants from pure yield farmers.

I get that some see arbing as essential for futarchy to work, but to me it still falls into the same bucket as farming, it’s extracting value without genuine alignment to the protocol.

Personally, I’d rather see a system where the market reflects the honest worth of the token without relying on arbitrage mechanics. If every time conditional markets drift, the only way to “fix” it is by unstaking just to arb, then I think we’re masking real sentiment instead of letting it show.

That’s why I lean toward simplicity: reward consistent stakers who are here for CLOUD, not mechanics that can be gamed by opportunistic behavior, whether we call it farming or arbing.

With respect, staking for any period of time doesn’t guarantee this.

IMO, if someone stakes for 3 months that gives zero indication that they are the least bit interested in the protocol, or participating in discussions and proposals. Just look at who are writing proposals and discussing right now. We have all been here for some time.

Yes staking is important and should be rewarded. But ultimately a system that, in addition, rewards a members valuable contributions would be ideal.

Because at this point it doesn’t matter what we say. They will do as they please. They knew ASR 2 was coming to an end and couldn’t care less to address it. And our sCLOUD still has a 30 day unstaking time frame with no roadmap in sight. How can they expect any positive comments from the community at this point? We don’t know if staking score matters moving forward… they preach about being earnest… I don’t see any of that recently. I really trusted this team before… but their actions are just inexcusable at this point. Was such a big believer in them, just to see my bag of cloud turn into… a cloud of air. Show the community you are and talk about this instead of saying “trust us, we hear you”… cuz I don’t feel they care at all.

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